and, of course, neither person has declared, wolf, and the political class, folks like you and me and political consultants all, you know, wake up the day after election day thinking about 2016. i don't think secretary clinton or former governor bush is thinking about it all the time, but, obviously, that would be the marquise matchup that would get everybody excited. >> that's what we call it, we call it the buzz matchup. my own sense is that hillary clinton will rest and get her batteries recharged and then want to be the first woman president of the united states, but that's just me. let's talk about some -- >> that's your opinion, yes. >> let's talk about some other possibilities out there. what i'm calling the obama legacy versus gop star power. take a look at this. joe biden, the vice president, ra rahm emanuel, the mayor of chicago, chris christie, marco rubio, the senator from florida. i don't know, how serious do you think these individuals might be about 2016?